Thunderbolts vuelve en febrero

[DRA]

THUNDERBOLTS RETURN IN FEBRUARY



In February 2004 lightning will be striking a second time as Marvel will be starting up a new limited series with some familiar faces: Thunderbolts. The characters won’t be the only ones returning – Fabian Nicieza will return as writer, while Barry Kitson will join as penciller.

The first thing fans may be wonder is why bring the series back just less than a year of it being cancelled? "Because my kids need food and new clothes." Nicieza jokes. "And because Marvel editors are always looking to add titles to their very light workloads."

"You always have to roll the dice with your publishing program." Nicieza explains. "If you crap out on one table, you go back to a table you played before and hope for a better roll. I think the decision to do ‘Fightbolts’ was an experiment worth taking at that time, and the decision to bring the original characters back is a good decision now."

"What we're doing here isn't just bringing back THUNDERBOLTS." Editor Tom Brevoort tells Newsarama. "This won't be Thunderbolts #76, nor will it be New Thunderbolts #1. What it is going to be we can't tell you just yet--not even the title. But we've got a few more surprises up our sleeves, and Thunderbolts fans should be happy with the results."

What can be said is that the new limited series picks up six months after the conclusion of issue #75. "The TBolts are diligently working to save the world -- at least as they define those terms -- while operating with a renewed, invigorated status quo," Nicieza explains. "The characters who comprised the team at the end of #75 remain in place, though we have an unexpected new addition by the second issue.

"There are some very interesting surprises in store for everyone that will give this series a different and exciting promotional hook."

Nicieza is not the only creator tapped for the limited series. Marvel has brought in Barry Kitson to provide art for the series. "I'm very happy that I can announce our artist will be Barry Kitson! His style is perfect for the book -- and coming off Empire, he sure knows a thing or two about super villains!"

[Obsidian]

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!! La mejor noticia que nos podia dar Marvel, un lujo que vuelva este titulo que me dio tantas alegrias, ademas con un dibujante como Kitson, espectacular!!!!!!

Live Long and Prosper

[Azraelito]

ouch no lo vi.

me cerras el topic.

Vuelven los thunderbolts vamos carajo

[Azraelito]

CAMBIO DE PLANES

FEDE MIRA ESTO BUSIEK IS BACK

Avengers vs. Thunderbolts miniseries (as reported in the current issue of Wizard) written by Fabian Nicieza and Kurt Busiek, and illustrated by Barry Kitson.


wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww tiro la casa por la ventanaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Obsidian]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Que Groso!!

Live Long and Prosper

[Logan_San]

Todo muy lindo, pero ¿Nicieza en los guiones? Ojalá solamente retoque los plots de Busiek, o algo así... No me gusta mucho Nicieza, sorry... La etapa de él me aburrió. Por otro lado, es un alivio que Barry Kitson esté en los dibujos, eso le asegura cierto Nivel.

Saludos.

[Azraelito]

Publicado por Logan San
Todo muy lindo, pero ¿Nicieza en los guiones? Ojalá solamente retoque los plots de Busiek, o algo así... No me gusta mucho Nicieza, sorry... La etapa de él me aburrió. Por otro lado, es un alivio que Barry Kitson esté en los dibujos, eso le asegura cierto Nivel.

Saludos.

para para,vos estas hablando de nicieza en tbolts??

onda yo te entiendo que me digas que es un verdulero porque verduleo en buffy en xmen y blablbalbalabl.

PERO EN

THUNDERBOLTS

LA ROMPIOOOOOOOOOO

onda para mi le hizo una excelente continuacion a lo de busiek,creo que llevo muy bien las relaciones que venia planteando busiek y fue mostrando mas cosas oscuras de los personajes y fue creando cosas espectaculares.Creo que se tomo muy a pecho el trabajo y de la serie que le habian dado sino creo que jamas lo hubieran puesto como sucesor,creo que fue una gran decision esa la de tom brevoort y creo que no decepciono,por lo menos a la gente le gusto mucho.

Pero claro cada uno tiene su opinion y cuando a uno no le gusta un escritor es muy jodido llegar a aceptar que hizo algo groso en algun lado a mi muchas veces me pasa,aunque bueno vos te aburriste que bajon porque yo LA PASE DE 10 no chiste,onda esperemos que esto si sea groso.

y QUE TE PUEDA DIVERTIR vamos tbolts de nicieza tan grosos cheeeeeeeeeeeeeee

por lo menos a mi me encanta el personaje the fixer y nicieza lo llevo para arriba pero muy mal,me encanto todo el tema de hawkeye en la carcel,el grupo ese nuevo the reedemers y que este comandado nada menos que por el capi,me gusto mucho como uso a graviton,no sinceramente para mi el laburo aca nicieza es groso.


bueno en fin esperemos que despues de esto se venga la serie regular de los tbolts y mas diversionnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[Logan_San]

Y sí, para que te voy a mentir... Yo un poco me aburrí en la etapa de Nicieza... Para mí lo de Busiek estaba genial, y deberían haber cortado la serie cuando él se fue, como hicieron con Untold Tales of Spider-Man, pero reconozco que es quizás porque yo soy un Busiekadicto, un verdadero Fan de Busiek... El tipo es un groso, la sutileza de los diálogos de Busiek y el impresionante conocimiento del Universo Marvel ( que se vió bastante en Thunderbolts, porque retomó cosas del pasado mas remoto de Marvel y dejó cosas plantadas en base a esto de las que pudo chupar Nicieza durante laaaaaargo tiempo... ) hace que sus Comics me parezcan muy, muy especiales... es uno de los pocos guionistas que lo léo sin importarme demasiado quién va a dibujar sus guiones, a pesar de que tuvo la suerte de laburar con muy buenos artistas... Con la etapa '80-'90 de Spiderman, por ejemplo, es ( salvo DeMatteis en la famosa Saga de Kraven y en otras maravillas que hizo con el personaje ) el único guionista que me dejó totalmente satisfecho con el 95% de los Comics que hizo de Peter...

Si me dijeras que mañana mismo viene el Erradicador de artistas a acabar con la existencia de todos los que laburan en Marvel, y tuviera que elejir solo a uno para que se salve, lo elijo a Busiek.

Pero bueno, no por eso lo que se viene de Thunderbolts no me genera ciertas expectativas... aparte está Busiek involucrado, así que todo bien.

Y sí, de última, es como decís vos... gustos son gustos, sobre gustos no hay nada escrito...

Saludos.

[Obsidian]

En lo personal Tboltz de Nicieza me parece un gran trabajo del guionista argento. Es decir, como dijo Lucas, el tipo verduleo mal en muchas oportunidades pero cada tanto pela un laburo groso. es cuestion de estar atentos, me acuerdo de su serie de Nomad que es muy buena y con Tboltz, retomo cosas de ahi, mas sacarle provecho a todo lo que le dejo Busiek, lo cual hay que saber hacerlo o mejor dicho querer hacerlo. Caulquier otro viene agarra la serie y hace lo que se le canta el orto cagandose en todo.

Live Long and Prosper

[Azraelito]

fede y logan san miren lo sarpado que es barry





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As previously reported, Marvel’s Thunderbolts are due to return in March in a six-issue miniseries entitled Avengers vs. Thunderbolts. As the title suggests, this ain’t about the “Fight Club” Thunderbolts, but rather than reformed Masters of Evil. We caught up with co-writer Fabian Nicieza for more.

The full creative roster for the miniseries has grown since Newsarama first reported on the miniseries in early October, with Kurt Busiek (creator of the Thunderbolts and original series writer) joining Nicieza, and Barry Kitson illustrating. The full character roster – a lot: Captain America, Iron Man, the Vision, Scarlet Witch, Yellowjacket, and the Wasp for the Avengers; and for the Thunderbolts: Baron Zemo, Moonstone, Atlas, the Fixer, Vantage, and Songbird.

For the completely uninitiated, the Thunderbolts, as a team, first appeared during the Heroes Reborn event, when the marquee heroes of the Marvel Universe disappeared into a place and publishing initiative that is probably better left in the mists of time.

Long story short, the big guns of the Marvel Universe were gone, and suddenly a team of new heroes appeared, calling themselves the Thunderbolts. All went well for the team’s first mission, until Busiek and then penciller Mark Bagley hit readers with the surprise they never expected at the end of issue #1 – rather than being heroes, the Thunderbolts were in fact, the Masters of Evil, the frequent sparring partners of the Avengers. On a surprise ending scale of one to ten, the reveal was an 11.

The series with its current team ran for 75 issues (with Nicieza replacing Busiek as writer), and the team slowly reformed from criminals to heroes, albeit not without a good deal of internal strife and infighting.

Thunderbolts #76 featured one of the more notorious “exciting new direction” changes in recent years, removing the core characters from the series completely, and replacing the entire concept with one of an underground, superhuman fight club. Eight people liked it, and the series was cancelled, rather unceremoniously.

Just forget that fight club stuff, and you’re all set for March’s #1.

Newsarama: When we last spoke about this, it was all you. How did Kurt come in?

Fabian Nicieza: Kurt was asked first and he suggested bringing me in, but before that, Tom had asked me first and I suggested bringing Kurt in.

I'm doing all the work and Kurt will be getting all the credit.

Except for any parts that might come out bad, then I'll get the blame. That's only fair, since he's won Eisner's and all I've ever earned is scorn, money and hair loss.

NRAMA: Fair enough. The last time we saw the team proper was issue #75, but the series continued on for a little while longer. When does this story take place, specifically?

FN: The story takes place a few months after the events of Thunderbolts #75, but you don't have to be a Thunderbolts reader to "get" what's going on.

It's pretty basic: a group of former villains are performing world-saving acts, but they happily skirt international laws, national boundaries, etc. while doing it.

The Avengers -- who have some bad history with these folks -- are in a bit of a quandary. Should they stop the Thunderbolts or not? They don't trust Zemo, but on the other hand, their own teammate, Hawkeye, who had led the TBolts for a while, is vouching for them.

NRAMA: For those who may be coming in new though, the team is led by Baron Zemo. He’s had some history in the past, so which Zemo is this?

FN: Which Zemo is this one? What kind of a crazy question is that? You make it sound like the character has died once or twice, had his mind shifted from body to body and ended up usurping the body of his doppleganger from a Counter Earth... or something crazy like that.

NRAMA: Well…

FN: This is Baron Helmut Zemo, son of Captain America's original WWII foe, Heinrich Zemo. But... he's reformed. Really.

NRAMA: And as you said, Zemo leads the team in a way that, basically, is focused on getting the job done first and foremost, with everything else coming in second, right?

FN: Right - unlike the Avengers, the Thunderbolts are very willing to let the ends justify the means. They'll play a game of currying favors between countries, blackmailing political or corporate leaders, etc.

NRAMA: Kurt once said a long time ago, when speaking about the Thunderbolts, that a large part of the cache of the team has been about the seduction of good…but dong good is always harder than doing bad. For many of the Thunderbolts, this is an ongoing, internal, and occasionally external struggle to stay on the side of angels, right?

FN: Yes, it is, although some are farther along the path than others -- and some could very easily slide backwards. That's what makes them so interesting and unpredictable.

NRAMA: And that, along with the history of the two teams, means that battles between the Thunderbolts and Avengers can quickly escalate into very serious matters of life and death as old grudges resurface and displace the “better behavior” some of the T-bolts had been on?

FN: Nah. They're gonna play softball. Maybe have a luau. Beating each other over the head with sonic clubs and repulsor rays seems so... yesterday, doesn't it?

NRAMA: Oh come on - any specifics you can tease about the storyline, such as what gets the two groups in each others’ respective faces in the first place?

FN: Nothing. That'll be the fun part. It'll be quite a bit different than two teams smacking at each other. It's all about differences of opinions, shades of grey and the fine line between doing the right thing and doing it the wrong way.

And as we all know, that fine line can be a very subjective thing.

NRAMA: Well then, how about this - are you and/or Kurt looking at this as a springboard for a revised Thunderbolts franchise, or just a fun one-off – a story that was begging to be told to re-establish these guys in the Marvel Universe?

FN: I don't think Kurt or I are really looking at it that way. If anything, we're just happy to be able to tell the inevitable story of the "final" confrontation between these two teams. I've very glad to be writing it with Kurt because he is so good at finding the right way to make these big stories work on a small, character-based level.

We want to make definitive statements about many of the characters involved. We plan to shake things up quite a bit, yet still advance their status quos and leave many of them in new situations that could open up countless possibilities.

If reader interest and sales warrant a possible new monthly, then that just means we did a good job.